Sinai Thunder Sales Policy

Please scroll below to read our

Pricing Chart.

This past Spring ——I ended up in the hospital, diagnosed with having a mini-stroke. I’m still not accepting their final conclusions, but—-be that as it may, I’m making huge cuts. I’m not ready to call it quits bc we’ve worked too hard. So maybe bc I’m at “that” age & I’m more appreciative of the challenges they’d face as they aged, I retired our older girls. Letting them live out their days fat & happy. After weaning, we plan to retire 3 more does—-who had either challenging pregnancies or difficult kidding We’ve also cut back on our breeding plans and will be retiring or selling some of our keeper bucks.
At this point, these are goats who are for sale, have all come from our foundation stock and meant to be our keepers—-
We’ve spent years dedicated to the Vision of Excellence we feel the Lord gave us. This was my life over the past 14 years and although time-consuming, it is a blessing I don't take lightly.

10/5/23—-
Bc of the cooler temps and winter season right around the corner, I’ve removed our Sales Page. Our weather in Ky tends to be fickle this time of year—-it can be fairly moderate having daytimes of tees or sweatshirts. But nights can be anywhere from 50’s to high 30s. So we’ve found its just easier to not relocate during this time as its a lot harder on the animals to adjust to more extreme conditions. If you’re from the south, contact me and tell me what you’re looking for, if its possible I have what you need, I can send you the list. Otherwise I’ll post again next Spring. We aren’t breeding as many for this Fall or next Spring, so I’ll have a larger selection of breeding stock from some of our best lines. Have a most blessed fall and upcoming Holiday Season. Thank you so very much.


BUCKS:
As you're aware, we are VERY picky about which bucks stay intact (having wethers out of some of our LA90+ does). We felt led to keep many of our bucks until their daughters excelled in DHI or LA/Classification or both---with the majority having (or will have) their +*S, +*B status. Its taken a while (years), but by sticking to those goals, we have worked very hard to improve upon each of our foundation lines.  This all may sound easy, but goodness---I can make a case to keep every single goat in our barn. Clearly not realistic. 

Also please note---we have either retained sons, daughters, or sisters from these bucks who out of our best does---hopefully ensuring ongoing success to each buck up for sale.

Breeding

Feel free to email your reservations. I’m not the best at returning calls right now, nor am I checking FB daily. So, emailing to SinaiThunder@gmail.com will be the only way I’ll accept reservations. Thank you for your patience while I try to respond. I’m also going to request (please) that you don’t ask me to “pick out a goat” that I may think is perfect for your herd. I truly am spending all my time, energy, resources to try to figure out our herd. YOU know the style that appeals to you and what your goals are for YOUR herd. But, please be assured, I will genuinely try to point you to that “Type” or “goal” you’re interested in.
n regards to the kidding schedule. Because we are only breeding our very best—-

If I post an available potential breeding, please be assured—-its our commitment to put the right animals into the right homes. This will take utmost importance.
This assures you that the line is solid/productive. It also is an assurance to any previous buyers that have purchased goats from that same line. Just as I’m willing to take the time to provide you an animal from a most excellent pedigree of conformation and milk production, as well as accurate information on each goat---I will be expecting the same information from you. This includes what will be your quality of care, housing & fencing, feed, hay, & minerals. Also, what are your breeding goals, your experience in kidding, taking care of sick animals, etc. I’m interested in your goals, what performance programs you are participating. And, bc of the years of effort in striving for excellence, it absolutely make a difference where our animals go. Not only for the bucks/does we’ve retained, but I take very serious the responsibility I have to the clients we’ve sold to in the past. These are participating and excelling in these programs. Thus I’ll make it a priority to place our animals with folks who strive for show or LA quality, Milk Testing and production, etc.

Please check our Sales or Kidding pages often, as the animals now being offered are from of our best stock and will go quickly. We’ve already sold several does & bucks before I’ve had a chance to put their info on the Sales Page.
Other than an occasional mention on FB, I don't "advertise" because of the commitment that our goats to go to selected homes—those who will give them the best of care, providing quality homes to ensure their best potential.  

Thanks so much for your patience. May the Lord richly bless you, your families, and your livestock.

  

                                  Sales Policy and Procedures

First---one of my greatest joys is matching up the right goat(s) with the right owner. But please know, as much as I am committed to selling you the animal that fits your needs and don't foresee any issues,  I do maintain the right to retain any goat, at any time. And, I thank you for your understanding. We’ve poured our lives, finances, and endless (read: sleepless) hours in kidding or studying pedigrees for breeding— into the love and care for each of our animals—their future well-being is our utmost concern. So, just know—I’ll have questions about housing, fence, diet, hay quality, overall care of your herd (including protection), etc. We’ve had some really horrible things happen to our goats from some well-intentioned people. Hopefully, with this approach, we can prevent heartache for all involved, especially the welfare of the animal.

I DO plan each breeding with the intention of using them for my future breeding stock.
Obviously retaining every baby isn't realistic---so, here's my sales policy:

I like things simple, so I do not require a deposit from a breeding. Just contact me (via email, so we both have a record) to reserve the kid(s) of a particular breeding you're interested in (before birth). I'll keep track of reservations according to the date we are contacted. I will notify you when I get your reservation, as well as when the kid(s) are weaned. Unless arrangements have previously been made, you have 48 hrs to make your decision. If I don't hear from you, then I'll contact the next name on the list. 

Once I get your commitment (via email), I require a $100 deposit within 5 days. If we don't receive payment, you place me in the position of contacting the next person on the list. To make it easier for you: we do accept PayPal (SinaiThunder@gmail.com). l will also take cash, money order, or a check. Please note: if you are paying by check, it MUST be cleared 10 business days AHEAD of departure.

In the event something happens between time of birth and pickup, I'll gladly refund your deposit or apply it toward a baby that would also fit your needs, whichever you prefer.

Because we dam raise, there will be at least an 12-14 week wait on bucklings (unless special circumstances arise). For doe kids, it may be at least 8 months (or longer), before your doeling is available for pick-up. You will need to have that junior paid in-full--before you pick it up. Please note, there will be no exceptions. Although I would not expect to ever do so, I reserve the right to refuse any sale without explanation and at that time. Of course, the deposit would be immediately refunded. 

Any and all costs associated with shipping or transportation, including any health certificates/related testing, crates, etc., are the responsibility of the buyer. Show Stock will be free of disqualifying faults at the time of pick up. We include an individual Med sheet for each goat of any past medical history. We take the temperature of every goat when they leave the farm, and generally have a picture to verify they’re leaving healthy. (Obviously, they won’t leave if there’s a temp). However, once they leave our farm, there are no other guarantees to the future health, height, or quality of the animal, so please note: our sales are Caveat Emptor.

There...the Disclaimers are done!!!!  Now for our Pricing Policy....

We take great pride in our breeding program and are very blessed at the results we've seen. However because we Dam Raise, I end up very attached to the babies and found it increasingly difficult to determine who to sell, as well as a fair amount to charge. After viewing the sales policy at Buttin'Heads Farm, I felt it was a superb format in which to price the ones we do decide to sell. (Many thanks goes to Tom Rucker).

Our Pricing Chart (below) was adjusted to fit our program.  As you can see, the price of  kids are based on the accomplishments of the dam in 3 areas: Linear Appraisal, Milk programs (DHIR &/or 1Day), plus Show successes. Does with exceptional records may have kids priced higher than the chart. In addition, bc we are blessed to have fabulous bucks with some of the nicest pedigrees & achievements in the industry, the kid price will also include the accomplishments of their sire's dam.

Please note: I feel this industry only needs the highest caliber of herd sires; thus, we are very selective on which buck kids will be sold intact. So, the few offered will be priced the same price as the doelings. And, because genetics are out of our control, not every combination turns out the way we plan. (i.e. the combination of two fabulous animals can sometimes still result in a pet-quality animal) If this happens, the price for such an animal will be adjusted accordingly.

 
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For example:

****a kid out of a *M/*DAR doe ($700 + $100), that milked 900# (+$50) with an E for Mammary on LA (+$50), and won her Jr GCH (+$50) would be priced at $900. 

Note: the prices in each column are added according to the succeeding accomplishment:

****a kid whose Dam has earned her *M/*DAR ($700+ $100), that milked 1100# (+$50, +$50), and was awarded Top 10 Milk Awards (+50) would be $950. (if she was Breed Leader, an additional $50 added to make the price $1000)

****a kid whose paternal Dam has earned her SG, Elite, & milked over 1000# will be an additional $75. In the case of Oliver, he is an SG, ADGA Elite Buck ($50 + $50), and his Dam has ranked Top 10, is a 1400# Producer, SG, Elite, and Finished CH (all 4 categories @$25 each), there would be an additional $200 added to the kid's price. 

(Please note that these prices are for pre-reserved kids only.  Once kids are born, prices may be increased.)

A final thought: Our emphasis is to raise (and offer) high quality goats. To ensure correct conformation, we annually participate in Linear Appraisal (ADGA) and/or Classification (AGS). To provide the best of Dairy genetics, we keep our girls on a year round Milk Testing program, called DHIR, where we test monthly for 305 days, and/or also do 1Day tests as well. In doing so, we have found that the mamas do best when they are kept with their babies and not be separated at birth, having the babies placed on bottles. Because we are now honing in on a few specific lines---my goal is to maximize the potential of each doe, including her daughter(s). That said, and based on some serious misjudgments on my part in the past, I plan to keep at least one (or more) of the daughters from First Fresheners. The reason is simple. We have found: 1) The doe will milk (and test) better with her babies nursing. 2) The production numbers of a doe (esp a FF) seem to stay higher and remain more consistent. 3) As the babies mature, I can better select the doeling(s) that best fit our breeding program. Not to mention, we get to study the strengths & weaknesses of the sire, as the kids pass through the various stages. It is to your best interest (not to mention the integrity of our breeding program), that the First Freshener has a great first lactation as possible. So, its entirely possible, unless the mama weans her own kids, many of our doelings will not be available for a large portion of their dam's 305 Test. 


We are very proud that several of our does (and now their daughters) have earned Superior Genetics designation, as well as become ADGA ELITE status. Each year, there are those who want to criticize the SG program, stating that many of the animals awarded aren't as high quality as their show stock. I beg to differ, but will not do so in an open forum. I choose to "prove" our girls otherwise---by raising goats who score high in LA and DHIR. Because we take our Milk Testing serious, we consider our does on Test to be "high performance" animals, feeding and housing them in a quality manner. We pour over the Linear Appraisal charts, and pray (a lot) for Wisdom & direction. Not only on breedings, but also on who to sell...and to whom. We are careful on who purchases progeny from our dairy lines. It brings us a lot of comfort when we sell to farms that participate in Milk Testing---as well as LA. We also will no longer sell a doe who has raised her own babies to a farm who opts raise/sell bottle babies. This paragraph is not intended to start a debate of dam raising vs bottle-fed. There are merits to both philosophies. I just cannot, in good conscience, know that one of my experienced mamas will have her babies taken from her in future kiddings. Not when she already knows what its like to be a good mama. 


If you have any questions, please contact me....God's BLESSINGS be yours.